The public is deeply saddened and frustrated by the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Sudan, driven by political power struggles and atrocities committed by the RSF. Many express concern about the lack of global awareness and intervention, while also highlighting personal connections to the region. There is a strong call for accountability and immediate humanitarian assistance amidst a prevailing sense of helplessness and anger at the suffering of innocent civilians.

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It's really messed up that the war in Sudan gets essentially no coverage and most people don't seem to even know that it's going on. It's likely the worst humanitarian crisis that's going on right now.

It's fundamentally a battle between warlords. The SAF overthrew the civilian government in 2021 and it's more or less a military dictatorship. The RSF is really no better, even though they're the opposition, and they commit their share of war crimes and ethnic cleansing. There is no "good guy" side to this, except for maybe small localized pockets of citizens who want a civilian-led government, but they're certainly not engaging in conflict on any scale wide enough to defeat either of the big players.

What's interesting is that even though Sudan has had a history of ethnic conflicts, this particular conflict is more about the fractured relationship between the SAF and RSF. Since Sudan gained independence in 1956, it's mostly been governed by northern Arabized tribes around Khartoum at the expenses of non-Arab and black African ethnic groups. This has caused at least three wars prior to this one, like the Darfur conflict and the southern civil wars. But the RSF was an Arab militia that participated in the Darfur genoice and the SAF are dominated by northern Arab tribes that are basically the Khartoum elite. Theoretically they would be aligned but the RSF wants power. Non-Arab black africans are caught in between and are often targeted for massacres/ethnic cleansing but they are not controlling either group.

UnfoldedHeart

It’s a world war - UAE, Russia, Ukraine, China, USA indirectly, and other African nations are all involved, and some of the worst atrocities in the world are happening there. The problem is that most people aren’t thinking about Sudan at all.

LateralEntry

It appears (and I believe) the obvious answer to the title question "What do you think about war in Sudan?" is: **We don't think about the war in Sudan very much at all.**

I'm going to have to look up things about Sudan. Is it in (north) Africa or the Middle East? Is it a civil war? Have Western governments screwed them over historically and/or currently? Is it a proxy war? What natural resources are on their territory?

Hmm, but people aren't arguing about it, so do I want to do that with little chance of a "reward"?

Factory-town

US politicians took bribes to divert American tax dollars to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE so they can use American weapons to commit genocide in Palestine, Yemen, and Sudan, respectively. It’s all the same thing.

McKoijion

It’s sick how imperial powers fuel wars and profit from civilian suffering. The UAE is the world’s second-largest gold exporter—but has no gold mines. A lot of that gold is smuggled from Sudan, where militias fund their war through the trade. The UAE buys the gold and reportedly arms those same groups. 

Then there’s Turkey, supplying drones and weapons mainly to the Sudanese government, all while trying to boost its influence and secure economic deals in the region. It’s all blood money—and the people caught in the middle pay the price.

CheyenneDove

So awful! They deserve the world's attention; glad the UK will host peace talks next week.

AlwaysReadyGo

The consequences for Sudan’s 51 million people have been devastating. Tens of thousands are reportedly dead. Hundreds of thousands face famine. Almost 13 million people have been displaced, 4 million of those to neighbouring countries.

“Sudan is now worse off than ever before,” said Elise Nalbandian, Oxfam’s regional advocacy manager. “The largest humanitarian crisis, largest displacement crisis, largest hunger crisis … It’s breaking all sorts of wrong records.”


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80%93present)#:~:text=At%20least%2061%2C000%20people%20have,fled%20the%20country%20as%20refugees.

Casualties and losses
Likely significantly more than 150,000 total killed[38]
More than 522,000 children have died due to malnutrition[39]
8,856,313 internally displaced
3,506,383 refugees[40]

https://secure.unicef.ca/page/127641/donate/1?locale=en-US

The ongoing conflict in Sudan has put the lives of children and their families in danger. Millions have been forced to flee their homes making Sudan the biggest child displacement crisis in the world.    

Famine is present in at least five areas in Sudan, with a risk of spreading to 17 other areas. UNICEF estimates that approximately 3.2 million children under five will experience severe acute malnutrition in 2025.

jfrsn

The UN won’t do anything unless it’s to draft a resolution against Israel.

Life_Repeat310

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I'm sorry I don't see any Jewish people being part of this situation so I'm not interested. Let me know if we can link this to Israel so I can start caring.

Relative_Formal8976

The US has fully supported Israel, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE’s genocides in Palestine, Yemen, and Sudan respectively. Giving the UAE weapons to commit atrocities in Sudan is just part of the cost of business for Biden and Trump to get them to agree to the Abraham Accords.

It’s a shame that nobody cares about Sudan.

thatsthejokememe

But what's the story here? In israel, you got occupiers vs natives. In ukrain you got big dictator vs small democracy.


But here? Here it's just black people killing other black people, for control. 


No story.

Effective_Jury4363

There's too many problems in the world; hard to know which crisis to focus on!

Having said that, Sudan doesn't seem to be getting enough attention in terms of how dire the situation is.

&gt;As of 18 June, 25.6 million people were reportedly suffering from acute food shortages. Of these, 756,000 people faced "catastrophic levels of hunger." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine\_in\_Sudan\_(2024%E2%80%93present)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Sudan_(2024%E2%80%93present))

Sbeast

And we have old men in suits fighting over imaginary lines that belonged to one or the other thousands of years ago…

Left-Excitement-836

Surely college kids all over the West would express their disapproval of this and be outrageous about the crisis in Sudan. Any day now.

Wrld-Competitive

Why isn't the [African Union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union) doing nothing?

5wmotor

Well with all the aid we sent to Africa over the years , doesn’t look it did any difference at all

gionatacar

According to Wesley Clark, a senior general showed him a memo that outlined a U.S. plan to “take out seven countries in five years.” The countries listed were:

1. Iraq

2. Syria

3. Lebanon

4. Libya

5. Somalia

6. Sudan

7. Iran

kra73ace

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SaneForCocoaPuffs

Samson_Betrayal

Yeah but… let’s start a war with Iran

vaynahtm

If you’re asking what the shift has been here’s my take.

The SAF was always a weak military pre conflict. It’s been built  that way on purpose by Bashir to make sure the SAF couldn’t overthrow him. (Clearly that went well) 

When the conflict started. The RSF had support from the UAE, Russia, France *allegedly* and much more motivated troops. As the troops only had to answer to Dagalo. The RSF were better organized and structured for the conflict. 

As time went on tho. The SAF reorganized. Troops were trained. Militias (Pro SAF) were trained by allies ..  and diplomatic wise the tides turned positively towards SAF.

The biggest impact tho was weapons. China, Iran, Russia, Eritrea, Turkey and Egypt. Sent arms after arms after arms. Modern equipment that the SAF needed. With time the tide would slowly change and now the SAF def is winning this conflict. It’s just a matter of when and how this will be negotiated 

The RSF is also so genocidal  that people rushed to join the SAF and its allies. The SAF is now a much more motivated force then when the conflict started.

Bolt3er

[Egypt has a lot to do with it](https://3ayin.com/en/egyptsaf/)

The RSF imo made a huge mistake early in the war by broadcasting their capture of Egyptian pilots &amp; MiGs.

If there is one position Cairo consistently has in its policies, foreign and domestic, it’s that Egypt does not appreciate the presence of armed militias operating outside the authority of any state - which is exactly what the RSF turned into.

In addition to that, Cairo and Abu Dhabi (the UAE) do not trust each other and/or see eye to eye with regards to the Horn of Africa in general. The UAE has ties to Addis Ababa, including arms and support for their Dam that really infuriates Egypt.

Egypt has been on the march working against the UAE pretty much everywhere in the horn, and unlike Abu Dhabi, Cairo sees a friendly &amp; stable* Sudan as an existential requirement in confronting future disputes in the horn. Egypt is simply willing to throw a lot more of its weight around over Sudan, a cost that the UAE either cannot or does not want to match. 

The initial article I linked goes into deep detail about Cairo’s not so subtle interventions in Sudan in support of the SAF.

No-Principle1818

Foreign backers often support you up to a point, but eventually, they shift their focus to their own interests. I believe the UAE may have either stopped backing the RSF or significantly reduced its support, likely because they realized the RSF failed to achieve their objectives

Wooden-Captain-2178

UAE has been pressured to stop its support to the RSF, Russia/Wagner struggling to deliver weapons after the halt on their Syrian bases

As well as several other countries sending more weapons to the SAF

Dont_Knowtrain

To make it short, the secret is the “popular resistance”. Training people from the affected areas who have the knowledge of their places and all the motivation to reclaim their land and eagerness to avenge their tribes and people is the main reason we are seeing these great wins, despite of any opinions but it showed its success.
“The shield of Sudan” example in Gezira was proven to work the best in this war and may be inspiring to create more similar examples.

Qweezy331

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AhmedK1234

The whole point of the war was to kill off the black Africans who lead a campaign against the former Arab government. The Arabs tricked the black Sudanese into believing they accomplished their goal and were moving to a democratic government lead by the people. 

Suddenly the Arab lead military SAF and Arab milita RSF started committing crimes against humanity agasint all the black African population of Sudan. 

Almost all of the black Africans in Sudan have been systematically rounded up and starved to death. The starvation has been ongoing for about 9 1/2 months. In the next 10-12 months the majority of the African resistance in Sudan should be non existent. Entire sections of Sudan have been depopulated and camps full of starving children have been airstrike repeatedly. 

This is why the fighting is coming to an end. It was never the SAF fighting the RSF. It was Arabs fighting Africans locals. Most Africans native to Sudan will die shortly so there is no reason for continued hostilities . Both RSF and SAF are picking off the last of the Africans in the west and those living in Khartoum and Wadi.

It’s like how Israel agreed to a ceasefire after killing all the Palestinians….it was never about the hostages it was about the ongoing threat of having Palestinians exist (period).

VeterinarianTop4447

I can see that you found ChatGPT, nice formatting, but I digress.  

&gt;The “civilized” north, prioritized for Arabic language, Islam, and economic development

&gt;The “primitive” south, marginalized economically, culturally isolated, and governed separately

You failed to mention global economic factors, as well as the cotton industry and trade. The relationship between Lancashire's cotton industry and Sudan involves the Gezira Scheme, a British-led project in Sudan that aimed to provide a reliable cotton supply for Lancashire mills, particularly during the Lancashire Cotton Famine of the 1860s. This scheme, while initially benefiting the Lancashire mills, eventually became a cornerstone of the Sudanese economy.  

It proves that economic growth in "The North" was heavily influenced by cotton, and the development in those areas was for the benefit of the project, with nothing to do with Arabs or Northern ethnicities being superior in the eyes of the colonials. 

&gt;This segregation created decades of mistrust and inequality. Furthermore, colonial rulers institutionalized tribal identities as political tools, ranking tribes and appointing sheikhs to govern local populations in a divide-and-rule strategy. These colonial decisions are directly responsible for the entrenched regional and tribal conflicts we see today, including the marginalization of the South, the genocidal conflict in Darfur, and the persistent instability in Eastern Sudan and the Nuba Mountains.

Once again, you fail to mention the slave trade in the Ottoman and the Mehdists periods, the South has every right to mistrust the rest of Sudan. Also, tribal chiefs existed way before the colonial period, and they were the only way to govern the vast land in Sudan, as they were responsible for keeping order in their jurisdictions. Every social analyst argues that Numairy's dismantling of this system was a big mistake, because regions like Darfur, which were socially primitive, couldn't handle it, and reverted to chaos. 

&gt;The Darfur genocide was orchestrated through arming Arab militias (Janjaweed) by the central government to suppress non-Arab rebel groups, institutionalizing racial hatred.

The tribal tensions in Darfur existed for a very long time. It's the historic struggle between farmers and herders; the central government arming herders against farmers was atrocious. 

&gt;The civil wars in South Sudan involved deliberate ethnic manipulation, pitting Dinka and Nuer against each other to destabilize the south and maintain northern dominance.

Wrong. Political elites fueled tribal tension to weaken the South's secessionist movement, indicating that forced unity creates more turmoil than peaceful secession. 

&gt;Marginalized groups like the Beja and other eastern Sudanese communities have been systematically excluded from development and political representation.

Beja council was created by Darfurian political elites in the 1950s to weaken al Khatmia. In 1956, the prime minister visited them, supporting them against Northerners and Khatmia, also to weaken any North-Eastern Unified secessionist movement.

IHereOnlyForTheMemes

Great post but you haven’t addressed Islamists at all. Having lived in Sudan i know it’s not the primary issue per se but an issue nevertheless that will come back to hurt the country in the future.

MohamedIKingX

The Rapid Support Forces (RSF) in Sudan have been accused of committing mass killings, with reports indicating nearly 300 civilians were killed in recent attacks in North Kordofan. The humanitarian situation has deteriorated significantly, displacing millions and causing widespread starvation and violence.

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